Presidential Candidates As Batman Super Villains
July 25, 2008 | Permalink | 6 Comments
With all the silly political talk of comparing the Bush Administration to Batman, I thought I’d take a look on the lighter side and compare various Presidential candidates to different Batman villains. This isn’t serious political analysis, but dammit, I have this site as a forum and I intend to use it. (And frankly, if it’s good enough of a topic for Wall Street Journal editors, It’s good enough for me.) I picked super villains arbitrarily. I don’t want to get into a “who is Batman and who is evil” argument. That’s just boring.
Barack Obama as Harvey “Two Face” Dent: The idea that spawned this post. While others are doing strange things like comparing Dick Cheney to Batman or something like that, given that the arch of the story is the rise and fall of newcomer and beacon of hope DA Harvey Dent, I’m surprised there’s not more comparisons between the two.
There’s this article, sure. But that seems more intent on criticizing platitudes than it does at looking at something deeper: are figures of hope like Obama and Dent doomed to failure? Clearly they are doomed to dim. Wile the article criticizes Obama for lack of particular details, it’s ultimately Dent’s drive for only results that dooms him. When pushed towards the edge by his horrific scaring and in TDK the (spoiler!) death of Rachel Dawes, Dent is concerned only with the ends, not with the means, of resolving problems. One gets the feeling that more contemplation on platitudes would have helped him, not hurt him. So I think Obama differs in that respect. On the other hand, that side of Dent always existed; it was just hidden by both his meteoric rise and previous success. After all, anyone can keep their secrets hidden while succeeding.
Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton as Ra’s al Ghul and Talia al Ghul: In the comics, they are father and daughter; here they are husband and wife. Let’s just gloss over that difference. In the comics, Ra’s could not be killed thanks to the Lazarus Pits; where he could rise from the dead. Surely, this reminds everyone of the numerous times that Bill himself rose from what was surely political death. The intrigue between the al Ghuls rivals the reported intrigue between Bill and Hillary. Bill has actively and inadvertently hurt Hillary in the past, as any sane person would admit. In the comics, this antagonism even leads Talia and Batman to sleep together.
Similarly, Hillary and Obama used to be close allies, with Hillary even fundraising for Obama at one point during his Senate run, the political equivalent of sex if there is any. Moreover, this also means that the normal Clinton confidantes are known as the League of Shadows. Just as in Batman Begins, they are regarded as formidable by Ra’s, but in the end do absolutely nothing to help him, and only allow the enemy to take him down. One can imagine Obama as Batman goading Bill to please bring on four pawns (Mark Penn, Harold Ickes, James Carville, and Terry McAulliffe) instead of just four. Although in reality, it’s because the four will get in each others ways. Of course in this analogy, Hillary as Talia has her own henchwomen, who are none the more competent (Patti Solis Doyle) for the most part. (You’ll never, ever hear me say anything negative about Maggie Williams, mostly because I think she would have me killed for real.)
Tom Tancredo as the Dr. Jonathan Crane, aka The Scarecrow: A candidate who bases his entire campaign on fear. But more than that: Tancredo never intended go through with his campaign. In Batman Begins, Ra’s al Ghul states that Scarecrow believes the plan was to hold the city to ransom. It seems Tancredo’s entire campaign was based on the premise that he would hold the Republican Party hostage unless they elected someone he agreed with. And then they decided not to anyways.
John McCain as the mob. Yes the mob as a whole. Carmine Falcone, Sal Maroni, the whole bunch. In the comics and in the Dark Knight there are factions of the mob, just like they are factions of McCain supporters. Rick Davis, John Weaver, Mike Murphy, Steve Schmidt and others all had their time to be in control before circumstances forced them out, and they all do not like each other, and do not work well together (as seen in the mob scene in The Dark Knight before the Joker arrives.
Each of them backstabs and steals from the other, ostensibly to protect the rest). Moreover, there is no control over them from the mob as a whole. McCain is said to be a laissez faire manager just as the mob as a whole favors looser rules. Moreover, McCain absolutely seems to abhor Barack Obama, just as the mob abhors Dent for the type of change he wishes to bring. They want things to change to, but jsut to the way things used to be. They are in a way as old as McCain is. In the movies, the mob is somewhat like McCain in that they refuse to go away. Like the Hydra, you can cut off one head, but two more will sprout in its place. McCain similarly seems to never go away no matter how many times he seems out. Like the mob turning to Joker in the Dark Knight, McCain also seems to have no good plan whatsoever, and changes plans on the fly when things turn out to be different than he thought. Does this say anything about what McCain is doomed to be? I don’t think so. The mob keeps on existing, but never in the same format. It’s certainly not predestined in any movie that the mob will lose. Indeed, the only comparison seems to be that McCain’s campaign could turn out to either be the Joker tormenting the mob’s opponents, or the Joker later threatening the entire barge full of mob associates with death. Also like the mob, McCain functions better when backed into a corner. Lastly, McCain lacks a certain shine and appeal that the mob also lacks in comparison to other “freak” type villains.
Mitt Romney as Oswald Cobblepot, AKA the Penguin: Whereas the Penguin used his ownership of the Iceberg Lounge to gain entry into Gotham,
Romney uses his leadership at Bain Capital for much the same purpose. There was always a question of taking what Penguin says as truth: he never comes across as sincere. Romney may not have come across as insincere as Penguin did in, say, Batman Returns, but his numerous problems with flip-flopping caused serious problems for him this cycle. Moreover, his sons are everywhere, just like the Penguins were seemingly in Batman Returns. And just as the Penguin in One Year Later seemingly abandons crime for a legal presence, Romney also aborted what was a previous hard line stance against McCain suddenly to endorse him shortly after Super Tuesday. Most superficially, the Penguin is the high society type criminal compared to all the rest; similarly, Mitt Romney seems the most high society of all the candidates, due in large part to his massive wealth. Note: If there is one supervillain Romney is not, it is Deadshot.
John Edwards as Waylon Jones, aka Killer Croc: The easy choice for Edwards is Two Face. Running a completely different campaign than his first time, being an impressive trial lawyer and all. But in reality, the specific flaws and details of Edwards this cycle have nothing to do with the flaws and defining characteristics of Harvey Dent.
Killer Croc is the one villain whose entire existence is almost entirely defined by his appearance: his reasons and justifications for doing what he did are inconsequential, if they exist at all. In this campaign, despite the support he got (which, compared to all but Obama and Clinton, was very substantial), Edwards was doomed because of the perceptions he allowed to be created about himself: the expensive haircuts, the video of him combing his air, etc. Essentially that he came to be defined in the market place as someone really, really vain. Killer Croc is the only Supervillain similarly concerned with image. While Edwards allowed himself to be defined by his, Croc hid and acted out because of his image. And yes, there’s also that small matter of Edwards sneaking around in basements of hotels being stalked. Very Croc-ian.
Dennis Kucinich as Jarvis Tetch, aka the Mad Hatter: Like the Mad Hatter was inspired by Lewis Carroll, Kucinich seems torn out of a different era of politics, one where William Jennings Bryan and Eugene Debs were the constant candidates. The delusion of the Mad Hatter strikes me as exactly the same as the delusion of Kucinich that he can win. His many tricks in the comics are similar to Kucinich’s tricks in politics. Tetch was seemingly run over by a train, only for it to turn out to be a trick; similarly, Kucinich was thought done when he ran the city of Cleveland into bankruptcy, only to emerge years later as a Congressman. Moreover, anyone who is not his supporter wonders why he is still trying. I’ll just end with that there’s something of a physical resemblance as well.
Fred Thompson as Bane: Bane was introduced in the comics as essentially the negative version of Batman: awesome power, awesome intellect. He ended up breaking Bruce Wayne’s back. But I’m not comparing Thompson to that Bane. I’m comparing him to the Bane in Batman and Robin, the horrible fourth batman movie. In that movie, going on the legacy of the comic book Bane, Bane instead becomes an unimportant tool who only serves as muscle; That is regularly noted as one of the worst transitions from comics to movies ever. Thompson similarly entered the race to great fanfare, only to find out he was far too little far too late. Thompson, like Bane, was a supposedly fierce character who when put into a campaign fizzled beyond what anyone expected. The comic Bane is the Fred Thompson that people expected; the awful film version is the one people got. I also have no problem comparing Holly wood to a South American prison. Many suggest that a new interpretation of Bane in the current Batman series could be widely successful; I’m not so sure. Wildly intelligent, strong, and athletic people tend to not sneak around in masks. While the true believers may never admit it, the concept at heart just is not very believable. Note: Just because Thompson and Clayface both were actors does not make them similar in any meaningful way.
Ron Paul as Lennie Adkin, aka Anarky: One sentence in Wikipedia says it all: “Lonnie Machin, a teenage prodigy who, believing in Anarchism, creates improvised gadgets and attempts to subvert government in order to improve society.” Paul himself was not young - the opposite of it - but he certainly attracted youth en masse to his libertarian oriented campaign. And while some would say the dominant Paul story as the racist old newsletters, Paul had no chance to win before or after that story broke. Moreover, Paul’s campaign innovated on the internet in ways few others have ever done, either their notable moneybombs and extensive social networking (and comment bombing). Moreover, the obvious comparison is in the goals of Adkin and Paul: both wanted substantially smaller governments (Adkin clearly went further than Paul). Does Adkin’s failure indicate that Paul’s crusade will never be successful? I don’t think so. There will probably never anytime soon be an extensive, successful libertarian movement, but there can certainly be small steps made in that direction. As a bonus, the character was created in part from Paulite hero and Alan Moore creation V from V for Vendetta.
Rudy Giuliani as Eddie Nashton, aka The Riddler: The Riddler, simply put,
is known for leaving riddles after crimes; it’s a dare to be caught, whereas conventional wisdom would normally lead criminals to, you know, try to get away with the crimes they commit. The defining tactical decision of the Giuliani campaign was skipping all the early states that conventional wisdom said he had to at least get a symbolic if not a real victory in for him to be competitive in later states such as Florida. He decided not to. Moreover, the Riddler is covered with question marks all over his suit that give away not only his identity but also his only useful sentence was a Riddle to lead people to him. And while Giuliani’s innumerable references to 9/11 were not at all that pathological, there was clearly something in Joe Biden’s joke that ever Giuliani sentence contained a noun, a a verb, and 9/11. In short, Giuliani was the Riddler in that a lot of his campaign was built on one very simple and repetitive riddle.
Mike Huckabee as Arthur Brown, aka The Cluemaster: The Cluemaster was a failed game show host, and if there’s any four word phrase in Batman history that could define Huckabee, it is ‘failed game show host’ - with the possible exception of ’successful game show host’. The rise of Huckabee’s campaign was in large part due to his charm, and the fall of his campaign was ultimately responsible for his inability to transcend that charm as, say, Ronald Reagan did. The comic plight of Cluemaster is largely not very similar, except that Cluemaster ends up doing surprisingly well and survives a battle even when many thought he was dead from being shot in the chest. Similarly, Huckabee’s campaign refused to die even when it was mathematically impossible for him to win.
Bill Richardson as Catwoman: Get your gender jokes out of the way, I’m not interested in them. Good? Ok. The essence of the history of Catwoman as defined by Wikipedia: “Selina Kyle, starting as a criminal who wore a cat-themed costume and often operated as a burglar, has a love/hate relationship with Batman. For years, she skirted on the edge between villain and antiheroine. However, she has largely reformed in recent years, adopting the role of the guardian of Gotham’s crime-infested East End, though she still comes into conflict with Batman on occasion.” This mirrors Bill Richardson in many ways. First of all, Catwoman is the ultimate resume villain: she’s done it all. For evil, for good, she’s been there. If I had a nickel for every time Richardson said “Look, I’m a governor” this election as to prove what he has done, I would be able to hire someone to write this post. Moreover, Richardson essentially had a love-hate relationship with all his opponents. Clinton supporters liked him when he defended Hillary during debates, and then were outraged when he first appeared to help Obama on Iowa Caucus night and then endorsed Obama after allegedly promising not to. (Obama supporters were the opposite). In the end, Richardson was distrusted by all and left to run hos own state which was shockingly bad in most rankings. Similarly, the most recent Catwoman movie was shockingly bad by even the most generous standards. The Catwoman character, like Richardson, is championed by a small minority who think it is essential to Batman; others think its inclusion in any TDK sequel would be repetitive and boring. I’d be inclined to agree with the latter. The Catwoman character is played out and in the end not very interesting. A jewel thief who is athletic? In the Nolan’s Gotham, that’s about as small and pointless as they come. Meanwhile, just like some predicted Richardson would be a dark horse candidate, once people got a long look at him, he disappointed; the more the Catwoman character has been exposed in movies, the less popular they have gotten. It’s fair to say that to some extent the character was a failure in Batman Returns and was again surely a disappointment in Catwoman. Also, Catwoman would probably defend cats as innocent ipso facto them being cats, just as Richardson accidentally defended Alberto Gonzalez in the first debate just because he was Hispanic.
Duncan Hunter as Garfield Lynns, aka Firefly: I don’t even have to add comment on this one. Wikipedia on Firefly: “Garfield Lynns, an orphan who became a pyromaniac and has developed a fireproof suit and flamethrower to further pursue his ‘hobby’. He was originally known as a cunning criminal who invented numerous weapons that use light to commit crimes with.” And Eve Fairbanks on Duncan Hunter: “During the trip, we stopped at a gold mine, and Hunter got the idea that the Brobdingnagian ore haulers (whose wheels alone are ten feet tall) would make good troop vehicles in Iraq since they’d resist IEDs. (Possibly true, but they also resist steering.) These kind of pie-in-the-sky, mad-inventor brainstorms earned the nickname “Hunter Specials” among staffers on the committee he chaired, Armed Services. I wondered occasionally if Hunter’s ruthless thrashing in the GOP primaries had dampened some of his unusual style of enthusiasm, but apparently it didn’t. This morning’s Post carried the story of a Hunter Special for the ages: He submitted a request to our embassy in N’Djamena, Chad, to personally hunt and serve wildebeest to needy Darfurian refugees there. ” Wow. Easiest one yet.
Last but never least: The Joker after the jump. ….
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April 6, 2008 | Permalink | 4 Comments
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Sphere: Related ContentThe Bill Richardson Chronicles
April 4, 2008 | Permalink | Leave a Comment
In a word, boring. Michael Crowley gives the cliffnotes version:
Bill Richardson ran for president. He was nice to Hillary. Maybe he was angling for her veep? Then in Iowa he threw his non-viables to Obama. The Clintonites raged about a betrayal. Then he watched the Super Bowl with the other Bill and all was well. Then he was “genuinely torn” about who to endorse but didn’t like a phone call he got from a Clintonite. Then he endorsed Obama. Then Carville called him Judas. Then he blasted Carville for “character assassination.” Then they said he’d promised not to endorse Obama. Then he denied that. Then he said Hillary said Obama can’t win. Then Hillary’s people said he said Obama isn’t ready. Then he denied it. Then she seemed to deny saying what she supposedly said. Then her people said she didn’t deny saying that but won’t say if she did say it.
He’s going to make a really fun footnote in some historian’s book 50 years from now. Aside from that….
Bill Richardson Endorses Barack Obama
March 21, 2008 | Permalink | Leave a Comment
At … umm … 3:08 EDT am. Seriously.
Richardson’s just hilarious. I’m going to assume he’s an insomniac like me. Or maybe Obama wanted to prove he actually could answer a call at 3 in the morning.
To note, this is after the Clintons - both of them - worked him hard for the endorsement for a long time, even sending Bill out to watch the Super Bowl with him. And it’s rumored Madeline Albright made some sort of demand on Richardson that got him angry. But who knows.
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The bottom line is Obama gets another superdelegate and voice to call for the Wright controversy to stop being the top story. The bad news for Obama is that Richardson is likely to make some sort of gaffe in doing so.
Kos Pains Me…
January 30, 2008 | Permalink | Leave a Comment
Kos writing on who Bill Richardson should endorse:
Endorse no one, Bill! Except he’s one of my two top choices for the veep slot (the other is Gov. Kathleen Sebelius), and I doubt that slot will go to someone who sits out the primary.
This is the kind of silly talk that makes me realize that if I started this website 8 years ago instead of 1 year ago, that it’d be just as big (probably bigger) than Daily Kos. My point being that people can’t really be flocking to him for brilliant political analysis, right? It must be because he’s just been around a while. I mean my goodness…
I’ve already touched on the subject of a Richardson VP possibility before, but with all the new talk out there, I’ll probably update this analysis in the next couple of days. What I said in early December about why a Hillary/Richardson ticket will not happen (not all, but some of the same arguments apply to why an Obama/Richardson ticket is also unlikely): Read more
Sphere: Related ContentYes, Bill Richardson Was That Crazy
January 29, 2008 | Permalink | 3 Comments
The definitive proof comes in:
Richardson’s torn. He served in the Clinton White House, first as ambassador to the United Nations, then as Clinton’s Secretary of Energy. “I have a history with the Clintons,” Richardson said. “And I’ve always liked her. She always seems very genuine.” But Richardson considers Kennedy, who’s long been respected by Hispanics, as “a mentor.” In 1982, when Richardson ran for Congress for the second time — he lost two years before — Kennedy flew to Santa Fe and campaigned for him. “That might have been the reason I was elected,” Richardson said. And he said he likes Obama, telling a story about how Obama saved him during one of last year’s Democratic debates:
“I had just been asked a question — I don’t remember which one — and Obama was sitting right next to me. Then the moderator went across the room, I think to Chris Dodd, so I thought I was home free for a while. I wasn’t going to listen to the next question. I was about to say something to Obama when the moderator turned to me and said, ‘So, Gov. Richardson, what do you think of that?’ But I wasn’t paying any attention! I was about to say, ‘Could you repeat the question? I wasn’t listening.’ But I wasn’t about to say I wasn’t listening. I looked at Obama. I was just horrified. And Obama whispered, ‘Katrina. Katrina.’ The question was on Katrina! So I said, ‘On Katrina, my policy . . .’ Obama could have just thrown me under the bus. So I said, ‘Obama, that was good of you to do that.’”
On the bright side, we know he was not wearing an earpiece.
As for his endorsement, there’s a reason he’s not being listed with Kennedy, Gore, or Edwards as a powerful potential endorsement.
Sphere: Related ContentSunday Thoughts
January 6, 2008 | Permalink | 2 Comments
Clinton: You know, Senator Obama has been — as the Associated Press described it, he could have a pretty good debate with himself, because four years ago, he was for single-payer health care. Then he moved toward a rejection of that, a more incremental approach. Then he was for universal health care. Then he proposed a health care plan that doesn’t cover everybody. I think that’s relevant. I mean, I think that what we’re looking for is a president we can count on, that you know where that president is yesterday, today and tomorrow. And I think that, you know, there are questions that should be asked and answered from each of us. And I certainly have no problem with whatever scrutiny comes my way.
Gibson: Senator Obama?
Obama: Well, you know, I think the Associated Press was quoting some of your folks, Hillary, so let’s talk specifically about health care, since you mentioned that. I have been entirely consistent in my position on health care. What I said — and I have said on the campaign trail this time — is if I were designing a system from scratch, I would set up a single- payer system, because we could gain enormous efficiencies from it. Our medical care costs twice as much per capita as any other advanced nation. But what I’ve also said is that, given that half of the people are getting, already, employer-based health care, that it would be impractical for us to do so, which is why I put forward a plan that says anybody can get health care that is the same as the health care that I have as a member of Congress — similar to the plans that you and John have offered.
Frankly, Obama’s position was clear to me, and I was just a blogger who did some campaign reading in between law school classes. This is similar to Clinton’s mischaracterization of Obama’s health care plan that I noted at the 100 Club dinner. His plan does not leave people out, it allows people to choose to not opt in. That’s a significant difference.
Moreover, Clinton immediately after that exchange was confronted by Obama that there was a significant philosophical difference between their plans. Instead of engaging in that debate (as Paul Krugman has), she instead changed the subject to the existence of a mandate for children. The reality though is that Clinton would probably out-debate Obama on such policy specifics. She’s running too conventional of a campaign that is not suited to her strengths, and can veer from intellectual honesty on occasion.
As usual Obama was right on pitch for his audience of south side blacks. But this statement also echoes yesterday’s point about where Clinton 1.0 fell short. Obama’s proposed “working majority for change” is all about numbers and energy–as he put it last night, “we have to bet on [the American people].” Hillary and Obama are both smart enough to know this makes his a risky run–with powerful consequences, or real “action,” if it continues to be successful.
If Hillary could be honest with herself, she might conclude that the “words” and “action” argument is a false choice. But without more explicit stuff than Obama gave last night, she might pull this spin off. So my main gripe is Obama’s hesitance to connect his message to his own experience. The “35 years” thing is ingrained by now–do Americans know that Obama does have the experience to back up the message that is captivating America? He needs to incorporate a new smattering of buzzwords into his speech, but foremost among them: “community organizer.” I am at a loss as to why he cannot be more precise about this compelling facet of his experience.
Live Blog Of ABC News/Fox News/WMUR Democratic Debate In New Hampshire (01/05/07)
January 5, 2008 | Permalink | 7 Comments
This evening, the Democratic presidential candidates will participate in the the ABC News/Facebook/WMUR debate in New Hampshire. The participating candidates are Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson and John Edwards.
8:41: The Republican debate has ended and now all the candidates, both Democratic and Republican are on stage. Interesting to see them all together like that.
8:42: There were some hoots and hollers in the press room when Rudy and Hillary greeted each other on stage.
9:03: Here we go, from left to right - John Edwards, Barack Obama, Bill Richardson and Hillary Clinton.
9:04: Gibson starts with what he believes is the greatest threat to the U.S. - that being, Nuclear terrorism, of course. Question: How aggressively would the candidates go after potential nuclear terrorists.
9:05: Obama states that he would be willing to go into Pakistan to pursue nuclear terrorists, if he had actionable intelligence. Does anyone remember Obama jumping up and down when Pakistan signed a peace agreement with Waziristan, which makes it significantly harder for us to pursue terrorists in the region? I certainly don’t.
9:08: Edwards says that if he knew where Bin Laden is, he would go get him regardless of where he is. Gives a scary scenario of Pakistan losing control of its nuclear weapons and states that an ad hoc approach to this will not work, rather we need a cohesive policy. Indicates that he would work towards ridding the world of nuclear weapons.
9:10: Richardson says that he would always use diplomacy first in any foreign policy decision. Honestly, this statement is the equivalent of one of these candidates stating “When I get up in the morning, I promise to stand up, put on a pair of pants and then proceed with my day…always ensuring that I have pants on.” Richardson goes on to say that he would use leverage to push Musharraf out and establish a caretaker government of technocrats. Again, this is such a mind bogglingly oversimplification that a red mark appeared on my forehead without me even needing to slap it.
9:12: Hillary makes a quick reference to aggressive action taken by the Bill Clinton’s administration in the 90s. Then goes on to note 5 specific issues regarding the situation that need to be thought of and addressed. Hillary is best in the details and should stay there, although she can be a bit long winded. One thing worth noting is that she stated, ‘Musharraf is already president and these elections are about the parliament.’ She was criticized recently for a series of gaffes regarding this subject, where she incorrectly stated that Musharraf was running in the elections.
9:15: Richardson wants to remember history. Talks about Iran, the Shah, but does a terrible job making a strong connection to the present discussion.
9:18: Gibson asks another question. This time about what we wish we would have done the day after a nuclear weapon is detonated in an American city. Edwards jumps in and states that the first thing we need to do is find the people responsible for it immediately. Edwards notes that it’s important for the president to react, but react strong…oh and to also remain calm. This distinguishes him from the other candidates because…why? I mean seriously, this isn’t a real answer. The question was about what we WISH WE WOULD HAVE DONE….not….what should the demeanor of the president be after the attack.
9:20: Clinton goes back to the first part of the question. Hillary talks about nonproliferation, we would have wished we had done more and then states how she would go about doing it. She criticizes security at ports. I’m going to have to go ahead and call bollocks on this (but NOT the dog’s bollocks, for our English readers). Here’s why I say this: Hillary didn’t even vote on the US-Peru free trade agreement. One of the major issues with that legislation is the fact that it provides port security concerns (i’ll update later with a link to the post i’ve already written on this). If she really cared, she could have argued about it on the trail and voted against this legislation or worked to have the security issues resolved, but she didn’t. Oh, and Obama didn’t vote on this either.
9:24: Richardson chimes in. He says that he would “immediately seek negotiations with the Soviet Union.” Now is when I stop paying attention to someone that talks about diplomacy and experience and then still refers to Russia as the Soviet Union (would we like it, if they referred to the U.S. as “the colonies” or “the confederacy”?)
9:26: Gibson asks Hillary to contrast her and Obama on her contention that Obama is “not ready.” Hillary seriously dodges the question and says that there are still questions that people can ask.
9:28: Obama doesn’t let Sen. Clinton get away with it. Says that the story that Gibson was referring to was based on quotes from people in her campaign. Then turns to health care. He then Clinton on her major critique of his healthcare plan - the charge being that he leaves out 15 million people. Obama explains that, his plan is about reducing costs and that it’s a legitimate area for disagreement and that he offers choice.
9:30: Hillary responds. She offers a really strong first response, regarding the fact that Obama has mandates for children but not for adults…Obama effectively counters that it’s about choice and since children aren’t in a position to make that choice, it’s mandated. Hillary tries to follow up, but flubs and then launches into a new attack — that Obama is a flip-flopper (queue creepy organ music). Attempting to lump Edwards in with her “defensive” position, Hillary criticizes Obama for changing positions on mandates, the Patriot Act and war funding.
9:34: Edwards doesn’t bite. Instead, he goes on to repudiate Clinton’s claim that Obama is a flip flopper. Then he goes on to attack Hillary by saying that the real debate is about who is best to be that agent of change, calls Hillary the status quo and again references his #2 finish in Iowa.
9:35: Hillary is not having any of that. Offers examples of things she has changed - like bringing about the Family Medical Leave Act and other legislation. Money quote: “I’m not running on a promise of change, I’m running on 35 years of change.”
9:36: Richardson talks about being to hostage negations more civil than this debate, basically asks what is wrong with him. I could answer that — he has described his mind as mush and is somewhat erratic, otherwise, he would be a really strong candidate.
9:37: Edwards whines…no no, really, I know it’s hard to believe.
9:41: Question: Is the surge working? Hillary says no and explains by clarifying what the underlying purpose of the surge is. Richardson believes it’s a massive failure and talks about the need for a regional solution. He keeps pounding the table, which makes an annoying noise in the mic and undermines a rare Richardson rhetorical flurry.
9:43: Obama doesn’t say the surge is working either. Credits a significant portion of reduced violence in a mindset amongst Iraqis that America may be leaving soon. I wonder if there’s any real evidence for this, it would certainly be really interesting.
9:47: Edwards is asked about his previous support of timetables and whether he would still have a timetable if the generals said it was not a good idea. Edwards says that it’s the job of the president to set policy, and that while he would listen to generals. Then gives plan: 40,000-50,000 troops out within the first year and an end to all combat missions in Iraq.
9:49: Richardson takes issue with Edwards’ contention by noting that leaving troops there means they become targets. Stresses the need to remove all the troops within 1 year…and again, hits the table in a way that makes a very loud noise.
9:51: Hillary references her request last year that the Bush administration assure the Senate that they are preparing plans for withdrawal…then says “when” she is president, she will being a withdrawal almost immediately.
9:53: Time for a 3 minute break!
9:58: A reference is made to Edwards and Obama attacking Hillary in the first half — Hillary’s cackle is back and she thanks the questioner for noticing. Then, she is asked how she feels about the notion that Obama is more likable than her. She jokes about her feelings, Obama says “she’s likable enough” (ouch) and then she launches into the fact that it’s a serious question, she has 35 years of experience and is prepared to deliver this change. She references Bush’s promise for change as well and talks about how that wasn’t delivered. She also notes that having the first woman president is real change. She rarely discusses gender this explicitly.
10:02: Obama talks about the need to build a working majority in order to bring about change and that’s why he’s best capable to create a new working majority.
10:05: Richardson is asked about his time as Energy Secretary and how if the debate is the same then as it is now, whether that means he failed. Richardson acknowledges that both parties failed and then launches into some of the things that he did during the time. This wasn’t a very good question, but there were other more specific and fairer questions to ask Richardson about during his Energy Secretary time — like his actual administration of the Department of Energy.
10:10: Edwards is asked to cite something specific that he accomplished while he was a Senator. Edwards talks about the patient’s bill of rights. It’s sort of sad that this is the example he used, given that it was killed in the house. It wasn’t an accomplishment, really.
10:14: Hillary asks for a reality break and talks about the fact that the Patient’s Bill of Rights never was passed. Then states that it’s important to be realistic and states that she’s best placed to bring about change.
10:16: Gibson goes off on the notion of change in Washington and challenges to candidates to really convince him that change is possible now. Cites Bill Clinton’s inability to bring about change in 1992 and Bush’s inability to bring about change in 2000. Hillary fiercely defends bill’s action from ‘92. The candidates launch into a discussion about change, but nothing really interesting emerges, so I will spare you the details.
10:24: Carbon tax question…whether it’s a bad idea or just very politically volatile. Richardson says that carbon tax is a bad idea. Hey! Were you aware of the fact that he was Energy Secretary? Because he just made a fleeting reference to it…
10:26: Hillary breaks out the “it’s the economy, stupid” argument. She states that she believes the economy is heading for a recession. This argument was expected to come out of the Clinton campaign. Then ties in the possible benefits that new energy can have on the economy.
10:27: Gibson goes to ask Edwards a question, but Hillary challenges the premise and gets another minute of substantive talk time in.
10:33: Richardson is asked to address the tax issue from a governor’s perspective…Richardson starts offering a laundry list of ways to address this issue. Among them, he references the line item veto. *sigh*
10:34: Well, it’s the end of the debate, so it’s time for a very dumb question. This one: What response during any of the debates would you take back? Hillary dodges the question, which was obviously asked to get her to discuss her immigration answer. Richardson acknowledges that he has made a lot of mistakes and then comically discusses his bad answer to which Supreme Court Justice he idolized the most.
10:37: John Edwards says that his biggest mistake was when he teased Hillary about the jacket she was wearing. Obama gives boring, serious, safe answer.
10:38: And we’re done!
Sphere: Related ContentAnalysis & Commentary Videocast Of New Hampshire Democratic Party 100 Club Dinner
January 5, 2008 | Permalink | Leave a Comment
We attended the NHDP 100 Club dinner yesterday evening, below is 21 minute video discussing the evening…
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Sphere: Related ContentLive Blog Of New Hampshire Democratic Party 100 Club Dinner (Live From Milford!)
January 4, 2008 | Permalink | 11 Comments
[Update: we've put up a video containing our commentary on the evening, check it out...]
Tonight, the New Hampshire Democratic Party is having its annual 100 Club Dinner. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Bill Richardson and Dennis Kucinich will be delivering speeches at this event. You can watch it live on C-SPAN or online beginning at 6:30pm.
5:00: We’re inside the building and press and guests are funneling in slowly. There’s a sizable Obama contingent outside that chanted as the staff here unreasonably forced press (and us!) to wait outside seemingly indefinitely, and we saw what looked like a small mountain of Clinton supporters down the road. All 5 remaining Democratic candidates plus Howard Dean are scheduled to make an address tonight.
5:32: The place is really starting to fill up now and people are eating.
5:51: The guests at this event are staring at the people in the press area as though there’s something quite magical going on in here. (press area pictured right)
6:38: And … the program is about to get underway, to the upbeat tunes of 2001: A Space Odyssey. Nothing inspires more than monkeys arbitrarily starting to worship a giant pole simply because it’s there. For the record, all the candidates plus Howard Dean and the NH Dem Representatives (both who have endorsed Obama) and Gov. Lynch (whose wife has endorsed Clinton) are slated to speak.
6:49: They’re running the Space Odyssey video again! And once again comparing their primary to a bunch of monkey worshiping a pole that suddenly appears; worse, this appears to have been done without a lick of irony.
6:54: There’s a lot of implicit comparisons of Obama to JFK, who was the first guest of a 100 Club Dinner; JFK is referred to in opening remarks as “the young senator from Massachusetts.”
7:00: After the pledge of allegiance and national anthem, it’s time for awards.
7:05: Jeanne Shaheen is introduced just before John Lynch and she gets a significantly lower amount of applause than Lynch. Effect of Obama backers not cheering as loudly?
7:06: Lynch speaks briefly, introducing his wife who has endorsed Clinton. Touts New Hampshire as first primary. Thanks Dodd and Biden for their commitment and they are apparently here! They get a solid round of applause. Lynch continues, touting retail politics.
7:11: Former Rep. Richard Swett speaks, touting the large crowd and Jeanne Shaheen’s run for Senate.
7:19: Donors are recognized, with Obama’s campaign getting a massive ovation, and no one else cheering much; the Clinton campaign was listed second, and its people were not ready to cheer, apparently. But the Obama people have made their presence felt, in a volley past the Clinton’s campaign’s bow.
7:24: Edwards is not coming. Apparently he feels this event is too much of a bigwig event. It’s a party fundraiser, though, and it’s hard to see how allowing all the focus to be on Clinton and Obama will help him.
7:26: Howard Dean speaks. After noting his nostalgia, he talks up the big turnout, then quoting Reagan - yes Reagan - in saying it is “morning in America” once again. That should get some people huffy. Talks up 80% of youth going to Democrat caucus in Iowa, and Democratic caucuses being large. Makes a joke about him not going on lists of states, and strikes a pose. Says that the Democrats are mostly the same, there are no significant differences. That has to help Obama, right? Says that Republicans and Bush are the biggest problem. Says Hastert and Lott resigned to avoid being subject to new ethics law for lobbyists. Talks up Republican attack machine and the problems with certain voting boxes, specifically citing my home county, Cuyahoga county in Ohio. Says 3,000 people are here, and that constant involvement is what gets the vote out. Says he wants to go back to person to person contact. That’s … ummm … a bit outdated. I say that as someone who has seen canvassers up close. Says greatness has to be earned and more clichés, such as America being “healed.” Says there are no red states or blue states, just … purple states. (Obama almost had his penultimate line stolen). Says Martin Luther King would be impressed at the makeup of the Democratic candidates. Compares GOP candidates to the 50s, and finally calls for Democrats to elect the future. That speech has to make Obama’s camp smile.
7:40: Another round of applause for Dodd and Biden. Another round of applause for Dick Gephardt. And also a round of applause for Elizabeth Edwards, who is here. I’m baffled as to why John Edwards is not here; he headlined it 3 years ago!
7:45: We’ve reached the “Attack John Sununu” portion of the program. We’ll return when something we care about does.
7:50: Paul Hodes, who has endorsed Obama, speaks. He mentions Obama themes such as unity and change, while attacking Bush with Edwards-esque rhetoric. One forced applause plus a bunch of screaming into the microphone = headache for me. Obama people force some applause at the end.
7:56: State democrats are here and happy to be in the majority.
8:00: Carol Shea-Porter, another Obama endorser, speaks. She talks broadly about Democrats being right for people of all parties. Talks about the value of SCHIP while remaining otherwise neutral.
8:05: More state democrats are here and, shockingly, still happy to be in the majority.
8:08: Dennis Kucinich is here! His theme is that he is “Waiting on the world to change.” He’s still waiting, apparently. His wife escorts him to the podium, apparently to remind everyone that she is good looking. He says he skipped Iowa on purpose because New Hampshire is so awesome. Says no one should have to settle, and that funding the war is the problem, and they can be home in three months. Says he is “totally aligned with the mainstream aspirations of the Democratic Party.” Cites ending the war immediately and canceling the Patriot Act immediately, and that Bush and Cheney should be punished, and that there is no statute of limitations for war crimes. Gets a decent round of applause in a wild flurry; needless to say, none of those applauding will be voting for him. He calls for the “old time religion” of FDR and a new WPA. Talks specifically about the shipbuilding industry, as if its the 1830s and the height of the Clipper ship era. Gets silence when he talks about how he is going to solve things, but gets applause at mentioning that problems exist. He has a tone to him that makes him sound like a robot. Finishes with a call for impeachment against Bush and Cheney, as he whips out a pocket Constitution Byrd-style. Says he and everyone is viable.
8:19: Hillary Clinton is introduced to audio problems with her music. I’m not sure what the introduction music is, but perhaps it is appropriate that there was a glitch in the beginning. She gets a lot of whistles; there’s no cheering, just whistling. Again, not to go all John McClane, but this is not helping my headache. Asks a series of questions if NH is “ready” for a president … which is her new slogan. Says we know the country can do better and be part of the change. Says America needs a POTUS who is a champion; She uses her ’some people want to fight for change, others hope’ line … and gets a significant amount of boos, as she segues into experience. She’s really doubling down on experience. Now she moves on to criticizing Bush, and criticizes Bush for being divisive, and creating a sense of fatalism, and that America has to try. Now she’s adapting a lot of Obama’s themes, but just glossing over them, as she talks about saving the middle class, specifically through health care. Says her plan is politically viable and will cover everyone by bringing business and labor together. Says that “those” who offer “virtual health care” leave people out. This is BLATANTLY misleading, as she says really sick people cannot be left out, giving multiple examples; Obama’s plan leaves uncovered healthy young adults who would simply willingly not enter the plan. No one who is sick or unhealthy would not apply. Krugman for one is attacking this problem from Clinton’s side honestly; Clinton’s stump speech does not. Moreover, people are realizing that. She moves on to energy, and gives a laundry list of things that can be done. She then moves on to Iraq. She talks at length on Iraq, emphasizing how difficult and dangerous the situation is, and that every American, including civilians, need to come home, and that Iraqis who put their lives on the line for Americans need to be helped as well. She moves on to health care for troops. Concludes by saying that there cannot be reliance on false hopes, that there must be a president who is ready on Day 1. (She asks this as a rhetorical question, and an Obama chant breaks out! She quickly tries to recover and speak over it.) She says that she has taken plenty of fire from Republicans and is still standing, which gets her crowd back into it. Talks about finding common ground with Republicans when possible, and that she has stood her ground when she had to. Says she is running for President to give back. Does anyone believe that? No one runs for President for that reason. Says that she will make history, and that wraps her speech up as Bill and Chelsea join her very briefly on stage. Oh, apparently her theme song is the Dixie Chicks “Ready to run.” Interesting that the lyrics such as “You see it feels like I’m starting to care, And I’m gonna be ready this time.” And it includes nothing about winning. …
8:44: People are being told to take their seats before *Richardson speaks. (As the Clinton clan leaves, I am sure.) *Oops. Not Obama
8:45: Richardson is introduced to the U2 song “Where the Streets Have No Name.” Apparently he wants to run and hide and tear down walls that hold him inside. Either that or he is seriously concerned about poison rain. He speaks, introducing his wife first, for one of the only times this campaign. Richardson jumps in and says that the war is the only issue that matters, and that it is the only thing he wants to talk about. He blames the press and the president. A Hillary supporter near me blames Richardson for Clinton losing in Iowa. Richardson says his plan gets all the troops out in one year, and talks about his plan. Somewhere in this massive room, Joe Biden is rolling his eyes. Richardson says troops cannot stay until 2013. Talks about his experience as a negotiator and diplomat as being crucial to make this change possible. He then moves on from Iraq, breaking his promise to only talk about one issue that he made only 7 minutes ago, talking about health care and education, and how bad things are in America right now, including NCLB. He gets polite applause through his speech. I’m not sure Richardson’s plan to increase minimum salaries for teachers in Constitutional. As Richardson lists other initiatives and talks about people of NH being open to other candidates, a MASSIVE exodus of people starts moving across the ballroom - apparently Obama people getting ready to storm the stage. It’s pretty damn rude. Richardson is unfazed, and says that the national media should not decide the election. Says that turnout of Iowa showed desire for change. No sooner does Richardson’s exit music start than Obama chants start up. It’s slightly annoying … but somewhat charming at the same time. It’s a thin line where they risk turning into such zealots that they’re ignored, ala Paulites.
9:00: There’s an amazing amount of Obama supporters; This is an Obama event at this point. And it should be clear … these people did not buy tickets yesterday. These are $100 tickets that sold out long ago. His organization has constantly outperformed others at competitive events. I cannot stress enough how much Obama turnout there is here.
9:01: The crowd is forced to take their seats before they can proceed .. and the massive crowd starts booing. In the end it probably just made his crowd that much more noticed.
9:02: Obama comes out to City of Blinding Lights by U2. “The more you see the less you know.” Hopefully that will not be prophetic. He clearly gets the best reception of the evening. The crowd is standing for his speech. Says that in four days, they can prove the cynics wrong. The press is more attentive now than they were for Clinton’s speech. He gives the unity schtick .. and the place goes nuts. He talks about lifting the country up, not bringing each other down; with a lead, that’s a fairly effective shield against a lot of attacks Clinton might otherwise launch. Obama touts his ability to bring youth in Iowa, and how he watched it. Touts his specific support among youth, women, independents, and republicans. Cites Hodes and Shea-Porter. Says he ran because that America is on the cusp of forming a new majority in the country. (A far more compelling reason than Clinton’s, if as idealistic). Talks about how the majority can help solve the problems of Bush, but festered “long before” Bush took over. Attacks lobbyists; this is far more effective without Edwards hitting him on the issue. Another chant breaks out. Talks about challenging interests (Detroit, Wall Street). Moves to health care, and talks about his mother reading insurance forms on her death bed in a hospital bed, and that he understands that pain of seeing a loved one suffer. That’s a new story. Says that the reform will be done by the end of his first term. Says he will end the “tyranny of oil” and create a “green economy.” Talks about Iraq and Afghanistan, and closing Guantanamo. Talks about being a President who taught the Constitution. Talks about a politics of hope. Mentions the “fierce urgency of now.” Says the broken system cannot solve the problems of today. Moves on to talking about how people are calling for experience; says they are saying that entails boiling hope away; says that argument does not work because the real gamble would be to have the same people in the same system in Washington and expecting new results. Says that results do not come from more anger or “turning up the heat” but from more light. Says that working across the aisle when you know who you are gets things done. He is unbelievable with a crowd. Moves on to those who make fun of him for talking about hope. Talks about hope not being blind optimism or ignorance of roadblocks but the “opposite of that.” Says he knows how hard it will be to deliver health care, global warming, and environmental change is difficult. Cites his experience on the streets and as a civil rights attorney. Says a small group of folks believing is how great things start - the revolution, the civil war, world war two, and the civil rights movement. I heard a different version of this speech yesterday and right now it sounds completely fresh. Says this moment is the chance for this generation to make its mark on history. Cites hunger and thirst for something, which is reminiscent of the biblical line ‘hunger and thirst for righteousness.’ Says that his administration would heal the country, and concludes with the loudest applause of the night. Impressive speech thematically and how it was delivered, especially considering he gave a similar speech yesterday!
And that does it, we’ll be back later tonight and tomorrow with more from New Hampshire.
Sphere: Related Content2008Central.net’s Presidential Election Podcast (01/03/08)
January 4, 2008 | Permalink | 3 Comments
This podcast covers the results of the Iowa Caucuses. We discuss the significance of Huckabee’s victory, the state of the Republican race after Iowa and we also dissect Obama’s victory and analyze the rest of the Democratic race.
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9:00: Reminder, Dems: Obama, Edwards, Clinton; GOP: Huckabee, Romney, Thompson/McCain/Paul
9:09: Andrea Mitchell calls it a “remarkably bad outcome for Hillary”
9:10: Matthews says the Clinton comeback begins now.
9:11: John Edwards is making an appearance, smiling; Matthews cites Edwards’ need to win in order to be relevant after Iowa. Elizabeth Edwards introduces him, and thanks everyone.
9:13: Elizabeth Edwards cites their campaign being outspent 6-1 combined. That’s REALLY disingenuous. Edwards speaks, saying that the status quo lost and change won. Essentially declares the death of Clinton.
9:15: Edwards talks about problems with health care, including a girl who was denied coverage of health insurance, and also the man who could not talk for 50 years. He also cites the Maytag plant closing. Cites the Roosevelts and Truman as presidents with backbone. By the way, it’s unclear if the insurance company really was responsible as Edwards claims:
Mark Geragos, attorney for the girl’s family, said he plans to ask the district attorney to press murder or manslaughter charges against CIGNA HealthCare in the case. The insurer “maliciously killed her” because it did not want to bear the expense of her transplant and aftercare, Geragos said. Video Watch as the family takes on CIGNA »
Nataline had been battling leukemia and received a bone marrow transplant from her brother. She developed a complication, however, that caused her liver to fail.
Doctors at UCLA determined she needed a transplant and sent a letter to CIGNA Healthcare on December 11. The Philadelphia-based health insurance company denied payment for the transplant.
On Thursday, about 150 teenagers and nurses protested outside CIGNA’s office in Glendale. As the protesters rallied, the company reversed its decision and said it would approve the transplant.
Despite the reversal, CIGNA said in an e-mail statement before she died that there was a lack of medical evidence showing the procedure would work in Nataline’s case.
“Our hearts go out to Nataline and her family, as they endure this terrible ordeal,” the company said. ” … CIGNA HealthCare has decided to make an exception in this rare and unusual case and we will provide coverage should she proceed with the requested liver transplant.”
9:19: Edwards rails against corporations, including oil companies. Every cliché is hit. He even drops that Elizabeth has breast cancer, and others will too. It’s a litany of sob stories, including homeless veterans. Says America can fix all this.
9:22: Edwards says change won. He’s going on and on, possibly to minimize others getting on 11pm newscasts on the east coast? Just a guess. He hasn’t said much at all.
9:23: Matthews notes that neither Edwards congratulated the victor, and that they did not want to concede in ‘04; the campaign theme song of Kerry kicks in. (The Rising, by Springsteen).
9:25: The Clintons are on stage, with a large group of people including Vilsack, Albright, and Clark. In other words: we still have a lot of support. A ‘Hillary’ chant breaks out as Bill gives a thumbs up. She promises to take the enthusiasm to New Hampshire and ‘it is a great night for Democrats.’ Says this turnout means Democrats will win. She congratulates Obama and Edwards and thanks Dodd, Richardson, Kucinich, and Biden by name.
9:27: Her demeanor is pitch perfect for such a disappointing night. Pivots to focus on how a winning with a candidate “who can go the distance … and be the best president on day one.” Cites her plans to run a national campaign through the early states, while chiding independents and Republicans who came late to the table.
9:30: Families are good and need to be kept good.
9:32: She is ready to lead. Cites health care and energy. Also cites education reforms. Says she is more optimistic about the country than her campaign. Says a lot of people could not caucus - those in the military. Also says people work at night. This sounds like a line of excuses.
9:34: Thanks the unions across the country who support her. She says the election is about the future (uhm, no crap). And that’s it, and everyone starts hugging each other.
9:37: Huck! He’s ready to go. Chuck Norris is right behind him, and smiling like a cheshire cat. He says he loves Iowa a lot tonight. Thanks everyone who treated him with respect and listened to him. Really humble and personable approach that really works in direct contrast to most of the field. Says his wife will be a great First Lady. Thanks his children.
9:41: Says his campaign starts in Iowa and ends in Washington a year from now. Says money has proven to be overrated. Says that tonight could forever chan gethe political system. (Uhm, probably not.) Says choice was for a change, but change can be for the worse or better.
9:43: The greatest generation can be the next generation. (Another anti-boomer candidate?) Says the election and country is not about him, but tonight will start a “prairie fire” across the country. Says the people are the ruling class in America.
9:45: Huck cites GK Chesterson, a Christian apologetic, and says people must love people behind them not hate those in front of him as Chuck Norris stands directly behind him. Says we must do whatever it takes to do what is right for those in America. Reminds everyone that this is the beginning. Again thanks Iowa.
9:51: Tim Russert looks like he’s been drinking whiskey all day. He’s staring at Brian Williams a bit uncomfortably.
10:02: Romney spoke at the same time as Huckabee, citing the Olympics as different events having different results.
10:03: Obama takes the stage with his family. They leave and Obama takes the podium.
10:04: Says the cynics have been proven wrong. He’s in ‘big speech’ mode. Cites New Hampshire next, and the rest of America after that. Cites the big turnout, and Democrats, Republicans, and Independents standing together for change and for one country. Starts echoing the 04 Convention speech with uniting red states and blue states. Says time has come to take power back from lobbyists and for an honest president. Says he can be that president if New Hampshire gives him the same support. Unbelievable atmosphere compared to the other campaigns. Says he will make health care affordable and available to everyone. Promises a middle class tax cut. Speaks of freeing America from the tyranny of oil. The speech is focused on him as a president, and mixing that message with his campaign theme.
10:11: Thanks organizers and precinct captains; no one else thanked them. Thanks his wife, “the closer on the campaign trail.”
10:12: Says it was not done for him, but for American ideals and fighting against odds for what people believe in.
10:13: Says nights like this justify the hard times in a campaign, and this is the moment it all began. Says the improbably and “what Washington said was inevitable” are torn down. Says politics of cynicism were beaten down. Says hope is not blind, but that something better is available if it is worked for. Says hope was what inspired the American Revolution, World War II, and the civil rights movement.
10:17: Obama says it’s about the USA and wraps it up to thunderous applause.
10 :18: Quickly over to Biden, who is dropping out. He thanks film makers and those that are supporting him. Thanks his wife.
Sphere: Related ContentIowa Caucuses Open Thread
January 3, 2008 | Permalink | 21 Comments
Topic: The Iowa Caucuses…talk amongst yourselves…
Did Obama And Richardson Make a Deal For Supporters? Biden?
January 3, 2008 | Permalink | Leave a Comment
Iowa Independent reports that the Richardson campaign has made a strategic decision to send supporters to caucus for Obama in the second round if Richardson fails the viability test. As reported, there does not seem to be a mutual agreement between the campaigns. But, there does seem to be some vagueness on the issue, so maybe there is sort of a deal?
David Plouffe, Obama campaign manager, responding to the report that Mr. Obama had reached an agreement for reciprocal support with Bill Richardson’s campaign, insisted the campaign had reached “no formal arrangements” with any of his rivals. But he said that “there are certainly places where our precinct captains want to work with Richardson” supporters — to gain second-choice support in cases where Mr. Richardson doesn’t reach the threshold to compete, or to lend Mr. Richardson surplus backers in instances where they can’t yield any additional Obama delegates.
“We’re giving our precinct captains a lot of latitude to work this out,” Mr. Plouffe said. “We’re going to fight as hard as we can for every one” of Mr. Richardson’s available supporters, and “It comes down to how well our precinct captains do.” With polling showing that Mr. Obama and Mr. Edwards are the top contenders for second-choice support, Mr. Plouffe said they’d made similar efforts with supporters of Joseph Biden and Chris Dodd as well. Dennis Kucinich has already publicly urged his backers to support Mr. Obama in precincts where Kucinich is not viable.
Regardless, this seems to be motivated by Richardson’s desire to prolong his campaign by avoiding a Hillary victory in Iowa, which would help cement her as the nominee, or by facilitating the enhancement of Edwards as the alternative candidate. Accordingly, Richardson feels that an Obama victory would undermine Edwards and help boost him as the alternative to Hillary and Obama in subsequent primaries.
If true, this strategy makes sense to me. That said, if a candidate has to resort to these kinds of tactics in the current field, it demonstrates just how weak the candidacy is. Additionally, I’m not really sure this will have much of an impact anyway. Richardson’s ground operation in Iowa is extremely weak. So his lack of organization coupled with the campaign’s decision not to publicize this strategy decision, means that it likely won’t materialize into very much.
This is following a NYT report of a more formal agreement. Meanwhile Biden seems to reject any possibility of a deal, after negotiations with the Obama campaign broke down:
The Biden source described the possible Obama deal as “viability for victory.” An Obama source confirmed that discussions had taken place, but that nothing had been decided.
But as of this afternoon, it appeared no agreement could be reached. Biden campaign Iowa State director Danny O’Brien said “there are no discussions underway and there will be no deal with any campaign. We believe Sen. Biden is strong enough on his own.”
In other Richardson news, he, like the other candidates seemed pretty tired (and somewhat cranky) on CNN this morning: Read more
Sphere: Related ContentAny More Deals After Kucinich Backed Obama?
There’s some indications that Obama could be backed by Richardson or Biden. (Via Yglesias and Chris Bowers)
The presumptive reason for Biden, according to Yglesias and general conventional wisdom, is that Richard Holbrook is pretty much a shoo-in to be Clinton’s Secretary of State, and that is still a position Biden covets. (Or, Biden could be the gravitas-adding VP pick, although I think the presumption of change in Obama’s campaign will lead to a choice of someone more of an outsider or new to Washington.)
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Yglesias seems to suggest Richardson could be Obama’s VP pick … but given Richardson’s mixed records and proximity for gaffes recently (calling for Musharraf to resign?) Obama could foreseeably pick either of them for a cabinet slot … but VP? I’m guessing Obama has enough baggage as it is; he needs a safe choice for VP, and Richardson especially is not a safe pick. The primary campaign has not even gotten into his record, which is almost as mixed as Mitt Romney’s.
Moreover, at this late juncture, it will be hard for candidates to effectively control their supporters anyways. I think it will be what deals the people on the ground make (what Hitchens has called ‘mini-bribes’) and not what decisions the candidates make.
As it is, polls seem to indicate Edwards has a huge advantage over Obama and Clinton in this area.
Sphere: Related ContentFollow-Up: Richardson On Pakistan
December 31, 2007 | Permalink | Leave a Comment
Earlier this week, I wrote about Bill Richardson’s silly recommendation for dealing with Pakistan. Mark Steyn at the National Review offers a critical look at Richardson’s “plan” and provides some excellent substance. Read more
Sphere: Related ContentYou Know You’re In The Second Tier When …
December 29, 2007 | Permalink | Leave a Comment
. . . you need someone from the West Wing to campaign for you in Iowa. It’s hard to say you’re about to topple the front runners and at the same time call Richard Schiff in to help.
And you know you’re in the third tier when you can’t get someone from the West Wing to campaign for you.
Sphere: Related ContentJon Stewart: Now listen, what do you think about, you definitely also have a little bit of that Hollywood flair. You’re gonna start drawing the celebrities. Oprah is gonna throw a fundraiser.
Obama: Right.
Jon: That doesn’t seem good. I still remember Howard Dean in Iowa, with Martin Sheen introducing him, quoting an Indian poet to a caucus group of literally like AFL–CIO workers, and just seeing their faces like this: “Huh?? What is he talking about?”
Obama: Well, you know, you don’t use folks in that way. I think Oprah’s support is wonderful. I think having the celebrities want to do stuff for you — but the truth is, in Iowa and New Hampshire, people just want to talk to you. They want to lift the hood, they want to kick the tires, they want to look you in the eye, they want to get a sense, are you telling the truth? There’s nobody that can do that job other than you.
Richardson Says Musharraf Should Step Down, Calls For Halt In Aid To Pakistan
December 28, 2007 | Permalink | Leave a Comment
I recognize that Bill Richardson is trying hard to distinguish himself from the other candidates during this crucial time, but separating oneself isn’t useful unless it’s accompanied by something positive. In his latest effort to draw a distinction, Richardson called for Musharraf to step down. Further, today Richardson will deliver a speech where he calls for the United States to cease anti-terror financial aid to Pakistan until Musharraf steps down. Previewing the content of the speech, Richardson said:
“Not a penny more in aid will be provided to Pakistan to fight terrorism until (Pakistan President Pervez) Musharraf leaves office.
“I would send the vice president,” Richardson said of Vice President Cheney. “He and Musharraf are buddies.”
Richardson also said he is sure that “al-Qaeda perpetuated this crime.
Now, I realize that there are issues with Musharraf, but demanding that he step down, especially at time like this seems troubling for a few reasons. First, it’s strikingly inconsistent with Richardon’s foreign policy ideology of negotiating and working with other nations. How is demanding that a leader step down that drastically different from the Bush policy that he criticizes so often? Further, if he’s sure that Al-Qaeda was the cause in the assignation, why exactly is he punishing Musharraf? Additionally, doesn’t it seem unnecessarily risky to enhance the turmoil in that country by either deposing its current leader or reducing the money that it uses to fight terrorism?
Perhaps I’m judging his position to quickly and maybe he will answer these questions and clear up any confusion in his speech today. However, that seems unlikely. These are the kinds of shoot from the hip comments though that Richardson is inclined to make. The most recent one before this was his suggestion that he would have a national ban on junk food during a Q&A at Google (I think he was referring to a ban on junk food in just schools, but that’s not what he said in his answer to the question).
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